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pechkin ([personal profile] pechkin) wrote2020-07-29 01:40 pm

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 Linguists have identified loans that were adopted into the early Finno-Ugric (F-U) languages from Pre-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-Iranian (Proto-I-I). Archaeological evidence for Volosovo-Abashevo contacts around the southern Urals probably were the medium through which these loans occured. Early Proto-Indo-Iranian words that were borrowed into these loans occurred. Early Proto-Indo-Iranian words that were borrowed into common Finno-Ugric included Proto-I-I *asura- 'lord, god' > F-U *asera; Proto-I-I *medhu- 'honey' > F-U *mete; Proto-I-I *čekro- 'wheel > F-U *kekrä; and Proto-I-I *arya- ‘Aryan' > F-U *orya. Proto-Indo-Iranian *arya- the self designation “Aryan," was borrowed into Pre-Saami as *orja-, the root of *oarji, meaning “southwest,” and of ārjel, meaning “southerner," confirming that the Proto-Aryan world lay south of the early Uralic region. The same borrowed *arya- root developed into words with the meaning "slave" in the Finnish and Permic branches (Finnish, Komi, and Udmurt), a hint of ancient hostility between the speakers of Proto-Indo-Iranian and Finno-Ugric.

David Anthony, The Horse, The Wheel And Language, ISBN
 978-0-691-05887-0, p. 385.

Люблю такие смелые и красивые выводы. Спорить с ними не умею, поэтому люблю тихо, на расстоянии.

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[personal profile] juan_gandhi 2020-07-29 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)

Какая прелесть!!! (не то что "венгерские" слова "pelenka" и "tista").

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[personal profile] mtyukanov 2020-07-30 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Кто его знает, может, по ссылкам с этой главы вполне обоснованная лингвистика. А может, то, что там было гипотезой, здесь как факт идет.
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[personal profile] mtyukanov 2020-07-30 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
(Оффтопик) венгерское fuck off/fuck you/fuck!/what the fuck -- baszd meg! /bassza meg!/bazmeg -- по венгерским социальным нормам слишком грубо, зарезервировано за особыми случаями. Но вместо него широко применяется аналог русского "блин" -- ругательство basszuskulcs!
Басовый ключ. Сразу видно, страна Листа, Бартока и Лигети.
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[personal profile] juan_gandhi 2020-07-30 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)

А, вот еще ругательство! А то я только одно знал, kutyafül.